Ben Greenfield Podcast 272

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Published on March 5, 2014

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Podcast #272 from [0:00:00] Welcome to the podcast. We provide you with premier exercise, nutrition, weight loss, triathlon, and wellness advice from the top fitness experts in the nation. So whether you’re an ironman tri-athlete, or you’re just trying to shed a few pounds, get ready for non-run-off-the-mill, cutting edge content from Ben: Hey folks, it’s Ben Greenfield here with once again the world famous neurosurgeon Dr. Jack Kruse, he’s been a guest on this podcast before he almost needs no introduction for those of you who have tuned in to previous podcast that we’ve done with him like How to Live Like a Polar Bear and Eat Like a Great White Shark, How to Biohack The Ultimate Healthy Home, How You Can Use Cold Thermogenesis to Perform Like Lance Armstrong and Michael Phelps, and he is just a wealth of information in all things related to unlocking the potential of the human machine, healing your body, optimizing your body and in today’s episode we’re gonna be talking about nine different ways to push the reset button on your body and do what Dr. Kruse calls the optimal reset so if you’re just getting started with living healthy or if you’re one of those people who’s already kinda living really healthy but one’s to just hack your lifestyle to the max and get every last drop out of living life to its healthiest and optimizing your performance potential or health potential, your longevity, everything this episode is gonna rock for you. So Dr. Kruse thanks for coming on the call. Dr. Kruse: Hey anytime Ben! Ben: So you know, with a guy like you I’m all about just like delve in and ride in to brass tax. So, let’s start here. There are a lot of people out there eating Paleo, a lot of people kinda doing the Paleo thing but you yourself have a totally different word for Paleo. You have what’s called Epi-paleo and that term doesn’t get through all around quite as much so can you explain what you mean when you say Epi-paleo? Dr. Kruse: Sure! Do you know anything about you know the beginnings of words epi means above or outside? And that’s exactly what my prescription is for most people who are trying to optimize results. Paleo, you know, not to be inflammatory, I think it’s a great thing, they’ve got a great community, I think it’s a step in the right direction for a lot of reasons but it’s not the ultimate stuff because it’s missing some key ingredients, key parts even to the evolutionary story. So what I try to do is explain to people what the difference is between those you know some people have their own ideas what they are but really the number one easiest way to describe the difference between my version of the paleo diet everybody else’s know that I basically use a three legged stool of the photoelectric effect, magnetism and water chemistry to dictate what I think we should be eating and of course starts you

know, brings in you know searching in biology and things like that and then try to hear people to understand how these things play each role on how we do things different parts of a season. Ben: So if you were to like outline some of the foods that you would eat, that you would include that are kinda underplayed with like a traditional say paleo diet, what are some of those foods? Dr. Kruse: Well, I see the number 1 biggest difference is the cloudy of protein source, so paleo they’ve put grass-fed meat and organ meat pretty high but less for me it’s oysters. Nothing comes close to oysters, in fact the nutritional density in a dozen oysters exceed what one would get in a pound and a half of grass-fed liver. Ben: Wow! Dr. Kruse: People do not, they are not aware of the power of the oyster and you know, the raw oysters better than the cooked one but it’s the cooked one still better than probably what a normal paleo template are. Yeah because it tracks on specific plain nutrients and nutrients that it design to lower inflammation and but the real issue is to improve your redox potential in other words the charge in battery that allows Ben Greenfield to do the same things as he does. That’s the key, and you know when you happen to be from my community, you know me as a physician I’m dealing with a lot of people, Ben, unlike you who have broken down a lot of immune disease who have different medical problems, this becomes even a bigger deal. A guy like you who’s looking to optimize performance and do things that very few humans seek to do, you need to have as good a charged battery as you possibly can. So do I think there’s… [0:05:01.4] Ben: I got to be honest with you. I actually don’t eat that many oysters because I’m a little bit iffy on them. I’ve seen some articles about potential toxins in shellfish. I’m not quite sure about that so can you help me and listeners allay fears about shellfish? Dr.Kruse: Well, first you’d have to tell me what toxins you’re talking about. If you’re talking about heavy metals like mercury and arsenic, that should be pretty simple. In the evolutionary package of an oyster is selenium. Selenium is the antidote to those things. The other thing that we just got finished talking about, the detox pathways in the liver –there’s three different pathways all based on P450 system. The higher your redox potential is in your body, the faster you would clear heavy metals. You are designed by lady evolution to clear those metals. So if you’re not clearing those metals, because your redox potential’s low. So if you think eating bananas or figs all day is going to improve your redox potential, you’re sadly mistaken. And the redox potential doesn’t lie just in your mitochondria. It doesn’t lie in the water chemistry of your cell or the bond chemical pathways. It

actually lies in the atomic structure- how your cell is organized. It also is –lines every single membrane in your body. So here’s the take home, utilizing that three-legged stool that I mentioned earlier, once your redox potential is really good, you can tolerate most things that this planet can throw at you. Now the things that you may not be able to tolerate are gonna be the manmade things that there are around here. For example, even if you have a good redox potential, if you’re talking about BPA which is an endocrine disruptor that’s a manmade chemical in plastics, then I’m gonna agree with you but the intent of your question I don’t think that’s what you’re getting at. For you tofor those of you who live on the West Coast, you may be talking about the radiation issue from Fukushima. Ben: Yeah, radiation and we hear about, a lot about wild-caught fish versus farm-raised fish, do the same concerns exist with shellfish? Dr.Kruse: Not at lot. They do but most shellfish in the United States aren’t farmraised. In fact oysters, now I’ll tell you, that does vary between locales. From where I am down on the Gulf of Mexico, everything is- nothing is farmed down here. Everything comes right out of the gulf. In fact right now I could go down to the Gulf of Mexico to a shrimp boat and buy shrimp that was alive a couple hours ago. Same thing is true with the oysters. So for me down here, not really a big issue. Now if you happen to live someplace where you don’t have access, yeah, it may be dale or too dale that gets to you, but it’s still a better choice than some of your local food sources. More than likely, yes. Ben: Yeah, I heard that. Dr.Kruse: The other thing is that in the West coast where you’re at, people are kinda freaked out a little bit about the radiation risk. I have to tell you the radiation risk is –in far as I’m concerned way overblown. Based on the studies and the testing that’s come out from Noah, the people that really have to worry are the people around Japan. Those are the people that are carrying the major risk plus they happen to eat boatloads of fish. And they also happen to eat predator fishes which are probably the worst type of fish you can eat. So I would tell you if you stay away from the predator fish and in my template the pyramid, the big predator fish like tuna and swordfish are both lower down. Shellfish and crustaceans are really high up on the list for that reason. Ben: Interesting! And I can tell folks right now that and I don’t know if you’d agree with me, Dr.Kruse, but shellfish usually equal very good sex the night that you eat them as well. Dr.Kruse: Yeah, that’s because of the zinc that’s in them. People don’t realize that zinc is the growth factor in testosterone synthesis and also the conversion of DHT. And DHT improves men and women. [0:10:03.7]

Ben: I hear you talk a lot about seaweed, too. And I know that you get way into all these foods in your Optimal Reset Program. I’ll tell people about that later on. But why seaweed? Dr.Kruse: Well, here again, let’s go on what we just talked about. What’s the antidote for radiation sickness anywhere on this planet? Potassium iodide. So right there, that should give you a big clue. The number one nutrient that’s missing from the world’s diet, and that includes the paleo diet is iodine. When you begin to understand that, especially in the human diet, that iodine really started to replace vitamin C as one of the major staples in the mammalian tree, that’s the key. And what does it predominantly do? It actually helps neurotransmitter synthesis but it also stabilizes the most sensitive membranes in our body which are the membranes between brain cells which are loaded with polyunsaturated fats from fish oil. And if any of your listeners know anything about chemistry, saturated fats are the most stable fats and unsaturated fats are the most unstable ones. So what iodine does is stabilize those double bonds that are present to allow the electrons that are present in effect transferring fats to freely move across neural membranes and that’s part of the reason why humans have incredible abilities that even our nearest ancestors, the chimps, don’t have, because our brains are loaded with these chemicals that are found in the marine chain. And iodine happens to be one of the gluing factors that actually allow us to use polyunsaturated fats in our membranes safely. Ben: Yeah. And I freakin’ love seaweed. I actually eat – I have this kind of expensive habit now, but I eat all my salads wrapped up in nori. So I, that’s my go-to lunch now is like wild sardines dumped over vegetables wrapped in nori. And one of the reasons I went out of my way to start eating seaweed was listening to what you say and I’ll have to delve into the oysters more than I currently do. Now like I mentioned, you have this Optimal Reset Program, I’ll make sure I put a link to that in the show notes for folks before we delve into our next eight things I want to ask you about. Or if you’re listening right now, just jot this down. You can go over to and check out a lot more details behind some of the stuff that Jack’s talking about and a complete reset program he has over there. But one of the things I wanna ask you about as well Dr. Kruse is during our Biohacking a Healthy Home, you talked about how you have wine bottles all over your house, and you actually create torches out of wine bottles to light your home. Now I’m curious about your kitchen. I’m sure that when it comes to living what you call this optimal lifestyle and doing the optimal reset that doesn’t stop with the epi paleo diet and that there’s got to be something to your kitchen. So do you have specific tips that you could give folks? Maybe just like two or three tips on getting started with creating an optimal kitchen. Dr.Kruse: Yeah! Well, for me the number one thing is deciding how you want to cook your food. So if you decide to go based on your taste versus your

health, you’re gonna make some decisions. A lot of people will decide whether it’s gonna be ease of use versus what you got. For me, I use ceramic pots and pans because I don’t want to take any issues with heavy metals. I also don’t cook my food like I don’t oxidize it very heavily. Most of my food tends to be on the rare side, if it is cooked. I also, Ben, have an indoor and an outdoor kitchen. And I will tell you that I tend to use the outdoor kitchen the colder it is and then I’m really lucky this weather in the Southeast it’s been freaking unbelievably cold. And just yesterday, it was like less than 20 degrees here, so I actually cooked outside. But inside I have a pretty elaborate array of lighting. The lighting in my kitchen very rarely stays extremely bright except if it’s during the daytime. The other thing is, too, in my pantry I have a boatload of spices. I’m a big believer in spicing my food and I’m not just talking about chilli spices. I’m talking about lavender, turmeric, coriander, mushroom, and I tend to buy organic spices, and I’m really into using broths like I’ll use a ceramic pot, in fact you brought this up, I almost mentioned it earlier. [0:15:00.3] How I do my seaweeds? I almost always use grass-fed bones and make my broths with seafood, you know the outside of shrimps, and I’d even take the oysters, shells, put everything in together, and my seaweed in there and cook it down. Ben: That’s a great idea. Dr.Kruse: And a lot of times I use that as the base of my sauces but I put a lot, and I mean a lot of my spices in there. And I usually cook that up on a Sunday so I have the whole batch for the whole week. And on the average I probably drink about a cup of that a day or I’ll use that to make sauces for the foods that I’m gonna make during the week. If you’re not a big fan of what I said I think you gotta have in the kitchen, is you gotta have a kick-ass refrigeration system. So for me the big thing is the freezer. And the reason why is I buy stuff in bulk like I’ll buy grass-fed meat the whole cow. Sometimes I’ll go down to the gulf and I’ll pick up 200 lbs of oysters. I also have the ability to freeze my oysters after I shuck them. Right now in my freezer I have about 50 lbs of gulf shrimp that were caught probably two and a half –three weeks ago. And we’ll go out and just start barbecuing them on our outdoor kitchen. So it’s about being prepared and having the things that you see fit for your own template. For me, I predominantly eat seafood, grass-fed meat, organ meats. I also tend to eat those more rare than cooked. I use lots of different fat like I’ll use animal fat. I do render my own lard although I will tell you I don’t do that in the winter time. I tend to do it more actually in the time of the year we are coming on now, just because we have more access to getting grass-fed cow fat ‘cause my next-door neighbor owns 2,500 acres of cows and I’m actually looking at them right now. And he starts to slaughter them right around this time of year. So we get a boatload of bones and fat. And we start rendering and doing things like that. So

the key thing with the kitchen is just picture your cook well, try to be smart. Try not to use Teflon. Try not to use fake stuff. Try to use bamboo cookware so you don’t scrape anything off. If you can have them outside, even if you don’t have a big kitchen, just get yourself a grill, propane grill in the kitchen. You don’t need a lot of fancy stuff. Make sure you have a nice selection of spices and a good place to store your food and I definitely believe in trying to bulk up when you get stuff. Don’t try to –most people try to shop every day. That works if you live in New York, you live in a small apartment, then I understand the conundrum but most people don’t have to live like that. And it’s always nice to have it on top in your house so when your buddies come over, your cousins come over, you don’t have to call Domino’s to have a pizza. Ben: Right. By the way, as far as organic herbs, as far as grass-fed meat, a lot of this stuff that you’re talking about, I know some people live in urban deserts. And I just wanted to throw this out there, you don’t have to live next to a freaking cattle farm or cow pasture like Dr. Kruse does. You can order organic grass-fed meat from sites like US Wellness Meats. You can get organic herbs like Jessa and I order herbs from a site called Mountain Rose Herbs. You can do this without necessarily spending all your time living off the land so to speak. So really good stuff. Dr.Kruse, I wanna ask you next about leptin. You talk a lot about leptin and leptin resistance. Can you give folks the kinda like the 30,000 foot overview of leptin and exactly what folks can do if they’re leptin resistant as far as some practical steps they can take. Dr.Kruse: Yeah! This one should be simple. First thing I need you to do when we talk leptin, I want you to forget about food being categorized as protein, fat and carbohydrates. I want you to realize that you need to begin to think about your food as electrons, as protons, and neutrons but specifically electrons and protons. Leptin receptor is designed to be an electron counter in your body. So it’s the electronic counter. The key factor that you need to do if you’re leptin resistant, leptin is a hormone released by fat cells generally at night. It’s from the hypothalamus right around midnight for it to work, there has to be low levels of inflammation at the hypothalamic recess in the brain. [0:20:02.4] There’s a little place where there’s no blood-brain barrier where it actually gets through and that’s not important. You need to have 4 hours of complete darkness and you should also try to have 4 hours between your meal and that midnight hour. Ben: Four hours of complete darkness before you go to bed at night? Dr. Kruse: Yeah! That’s ideal. Ben: What about in the summer when it gets dark at 9 PM or whatever?

Dr. Kruse: Ben: Dr. Kruse: Well, Ben, you already know the answer to that. I told you I’m the big circadian guy. In the summer time, you’re designed to work a little bit differently. Also your dietary template works a little bit differently because in the summer we allow for a lot more carbohydrates than we do now because what determines carbohydrate load for normal people, I’m not talking about you now, is actually the length of the life cycle. If you happen to be an athlete, you can stretch that a little bit because you have a higher redox potential than some of these who just got ripped on fibromyalgia and autoimmune disease. To get back to the point, ideal for leptin four hours after your last meal and generally keep the darkest possible, it doesn’t have to be pitch-dark, ambient lighting, candles, the phenol globes that I told you about the last time I was on, all that stuff is cool. The key thing is you need to block out the blue light. And then, once you’re doing that you’re preserving your redox potential. Why is this important when it comes to leptin? I told you leptin is basically the electron counter. Remember, electrons are negatively-charged. And people just don’t realize your redox potential is controlled by the electromagnetic environment you’re in and that force controls only charged particles. That’s the linkage. So that’s where negatively and positively charged particles come in. So if you control your environment so that it’s not stealing electrons from your body to the environment, in fact your brain is able to get them, and your information levels are low, that means that your brain will actively be sensing the appropriate signaling from your environment that surrounds you and that’s precisely what you want. That’s really what separates epi paleo from paleo. Most people don’t understand how circadian signals tie back to their three-legged stool which is the photoelectric effect, magnetism, and water chemistry. And really the king of that, I won’t say the king, but the second most important issue is the leptin receptors as long as it could work and senses electrons, dude you calculate gas. Nice! You hear so many people talk about limiting sugar and starches but I think just like what you said like the darkness before bedtime, the avoidance of blue light in the house that stuff trumps diet even. Now in terms of your whether or not you’re actually sensitive to leptin, I noticed that in the Optimal Reset, you talk a little bit about the reverse T3 test to diagnose. How does that work? Yep. Well, that should test that, I would tell you that, in your community, a lot of the heavy duty triathletes I think should actually get this test because when you have over exercised, that is equivalent to some of the fibromyalgia. So the difference is, you guys are able to recover your redox potential much quicker than somebody who’s chronically ran their batteries down. So what happens with thyroid hormone to start quick timer. T4 is the hormone that’s released in the thyroid gland but it’s got to be converted to T3 to be active. And that conversion is blocked by inflammation in the body. And that inflammation means, it could be from autoimmune disease, it could be from over exercise, it could be from anything. What happens with the T3, some of the T3 is converted directly to reverse T3 and reverse

T3 is a really interesting chemical ‘cause what does it do? When reverse T3 builds up in someone’s body, it is a competitive inhibitor for CRH which is the cortisol releasing hormone in the brain and that is where a lot of people who exercise to excess get adrenal fatigue and they don’t realize it. One of the best way to capture that, is when you do your thyroid panel you get your reverse T3 check it out, make sure you get your T3 with it, get a highly sensitive CRP and it’s your real tool like I am, get your ACTH levels, ASI, four times salivary test with the salivary melatonin and almost invariably you will find that you’re apparently toasting your brain and if you are and you’re an athlete and you need to realize you need to dial down your exercise to improve the relationship between T3 and reverse T3 because people who exercise easily are able to recover this as long as they understand it. [0:25:17.7] The problem is especially in endurance exercises, they just keep putting pedal to the metal and you keep doing that, you’re actually doing the same thing that some of the fibromyalgia does and you can chronically wear your batteries down to where you destroy your redox potential. And, Ben, I get in to this a little bit, I just wrote a little blog post that I would tell you to link to the show notes about the redox potential. Ben: Yeah! I read it this morning. I’ll put a link right now and by the way, for those of you listening in, I’m madly writing notes and putting them all in the show notes for you guys. And the show notes are gonna be at Okay, so the redox is the article you were just talking about? Dr.Kruse: Yeah! What I just want to say with that is we’ve talked about it a lot in the several points that you brought up. I just want your readers and your listeners to know that if you don’t know what makes up your redox potential, go to my redox prescription. Read it. I give you 25 points that will allow you to take your own labs and figure out kinda where you are. The goal is you want your redox potential really high. You do not want your redox potential low. The lower it is, the sicker you’ll be or in your listeners’ case, the lower it is, the less performance they get. That ties in to the last podcast you and I did where you’re gonna have all these athletes thinking they need carbs because they need to refuel ‘cause their batteries are low in charge. Carbohydrates allow you to do it faster but you’re paying a very specific toll in that. And in your last podcast, I didn’t really tell you guys what that toll was, but in the redox potential I actually get in to that. I explained to you something about the ______ [0:27:04.6] link to telomeres and how it happens is it goes to something called NAD positive which is about cytochrome 1 and cytochrome 2. I don’t want to get too deep into it ‘cause I don’t think it’s the kind of stuff they need to read and listen to.

Ben: Well, it’s all written in that post. Yeah, it’s all written over there so I’ll just now putting a link to that post in the show notes over at bengreenfieldfitness for those of you guys who want to go over there and listen to it. Okay, so more questions for you, Dr.Kruse. We’ve talked about food and kitchen. We’ve talked about the difference between paleo and epi paleo. We’ve talked about resetting your leptin. And I want to ask you now about something that we’ve talked about before and that’s cold thermogenesis, or what you call CT. Can you give us some kinda like your up-to-date practical tips as far as including lowering your body temperature in to your daily protocol. Dr.Kruse: Yeah! Well in the Optimal Reset, I do an hour talk on CT and I go over 3 hours of questions from people. So you will get a humongous education on it but CT is directly tied to the three-legged stool and when I first released the CT protocol, I never really…. Ben: And one more time ‘cause I know a lot of folks are gonna need this again. Three-legged stool, one more time. What are the three legs? Dr.Kruse: The three-legged stool – the photoelectric effect, water chemistry and the electromagnetic force. And if you want to learn about those three things, I wrote about them in a blog post called Energy and Epigenetics Core and I break each one down. Cold thermogenesis takes full advantage of basically water chemistry and the electromagnetic force. What does it do in reference to the threelegged stool? It increases the amount of oxygen that can be dissolved in water and can be delivered to you. So remember your cell is filled up with about 70-75% water, so cold actually will deliver more O2 to your mitochondria to allow you to do more things performance-wise and also help out the toxic a little bit your mitochondria’s built up. The other thing it does that I think we did talk about in the last podcast, is the increased semi-conduction current. And I think the example that we used the last time we talked, Ben, is we talked about cell phone. When you put it on the hood of your car and it gets a temperature warning, it doesn’t work. And then when you put it the iPhone inside the freezer, it works phenomenally well. You have the same ability in you. Because what it does –cold increases something called the whole current. And the whole current is something that’s common to all semiconducting currents. [0:30:00.7] Well the regenerative current in mammals is something called the DC current and it’s located along the myelin layer of neurons and outside the axons. And if you’re an athlete, if you’re somebody who’s into performance, if you’re somebody who’s sick, you need to become very facile with the DC current because the DC current is maximal when we sleep. And it should also tie in cold once again. When is melatonin released? When hypothalamus drops your body temperature several degrees, that’s the reason why CT and the DC current are linked together because melatonin is converted from serotonin in your

pineal gland during sleep. So there’s a lot of linkages here and the pineal gland – well if you read the energy epigenetics blog post tells you how the three-legged stool takes those three legs and converts that environmental information into something the body uses and what that something is is CT and CT increases the DC regenerative current in all mammals and Robert O. Becker who is an MD, PhD researcher is the guy that found this out. He is the guy that if you don’t know anything about this, read his book The Electric Body. It’s an absolutely unbelievable book. It was written probably 30 years ago but it’s based on his work that he did in the late 1960s when he definitively figured what Albert St. Georgie postulated in the 1940s and for those of you who don’t know, Albert St. Georgie won the Nobel Prize for discovering vitamin C in the 1940s. St. Georgie said at a meeting in 1942 in Budapest, he told the world that he believed that all life was based on semiconduction but he admitted he had absolutely no clue how it actually works. But many of the things that he found in vitamin C chemistry led him to this conclusion. On 1942, Becker happened to be a medical student who listened to this talk and in twenty years, Becker proved definitively that semiconduction happens in amphibians. It starts in cell membranes and goes all the way up to everybody listening to this now. And you can read about his research in that book. He was twice nominated for the Nobel Prize. And unfortunately the reason why his career kinda ended the way it did was because he got into the political arena of when it comes to microwaves and EMF because he realized what he had found was big news for our economy. It was changing from a service-based economy to a technology economy and he was on Sixty Minutes in the 1970s and basically told the world that what’s coming in the United States could be one of the worst things ever throughout biology and if you go back and read into his original Sixty Minutes interview and you look at what’s happened in the last 40 years in terms of ______ [0:33:16.2] data, obesity data, sickness data, you will actually see they match perfectly well. That’s part of the reason why I’m trying to teach people a lot about the EMF because it ties to this entire story. Ben: Yeah! You’re like a science historian when I get you on here. It’s crazy! I don’t’ know how you remember all these stuff. But, okay so let’s go with two practical tips for people who wanna just like jump in the cold thermogenesis right now. What are two things they could do? Dr.Kruse: Well, I’d like to start out with something I can keep on this. CT is always beneficial and the reason for that is everybody listening to this semiconducts. Number two even if the temperature of the water you’re in is one degree below your body temperature, you are technically performing CT. Remember that CT water… Ben: So the fact that- so my house right now is at 60 degrees. I try to keep it between 60 and 65. So technically I’m doing CT while I’m standing here right now.

Dr.Kruse: Correct you are. But you have to remember, there’s a difference in the thermal load. We have- we actually have four forms of matter but I’m only gonna talk to you about three. But water and metal are the two best for actually cold thermogenesis. Metal is by far the best but that comes with significant risks. So I don’t really talk about that publicly. I’ve talked about it via private webinars that I do for my members but the safest thing for people to do is to use the thermal load of water because it’s 24-25 times more effective than air is and pulling the cold out of you and people have to realize you don’t have to be freezing cold. [0:35:02.8] When it’s cold thermogenesis, we’re talking 50-55 degrees the water has to be. For most people in the northern hemisphere, in the winter time you can easily do that, it’s not tough. When it becomes harder to do in the summer… Ben: Oh, yeah! In the winter you can shower water that cold. Yep. Dr.Kruse: And there is another benefit that I haven’t talked to you yet about but you guys should read about in the redox prescription. If you’re an endurance athlete, there is even a trick to CT there. I might as well drop here because I think your listeners will love it. In the Optimal Reset, I talk to people about the trick that I use for people who are obese. This trick also works for athletes. It’s called the ______ [0:35:45.6] Track. Basically what you do is you heat up a part of your body that you use the most. So let’s take you for example, Ben. I would probably have you sit in a warm tub of water up to about your waist. Then on your top part, I’d have you tape ice with ace wraps all over your body and what you’re trying to do is improve the exclusion zone of water tremendously and this consists the water chemistry which we haven’t talked about. Warm water absorbs radiant energy meaning infrared far better than anything else and the reason for that has to do with molecular chemistry. Just trust me, warm will increase the inclusion zone. With the inclusion zone of water, the bigger it is, the higher your redox potential is. CT has the exact same thing except it’s designed to do a little bit differently. But it also increases the redox potential of water. So if you happen to be an athlete that’s currently gamble at both ends, this is your really good way to really tweak your CT and get maximum benefit ‘cause you may find that you’re able to lift more, you’re able to beat your competitors, you’re able to do things that they can’t do. So I tell everybody it’s Bio Hack that they should consider and we talk about that in the Optimal Reset in the CT section and I said that’s a four-hour discussion that we have there. S0 I think you’ll get into this in detail. Ben: Yeah! A ton of info…. and like I said if people wanna like really dig in to the nitty gritty of this stuff, go to and you can definitely take the deep dive. So speaking of taking the deep dive, EMF exposure, we talked in our last podcast we did how to

bio hack the ultimate healthy home, about EMF exposure in the home and in the office. But in particular one thing I wanted to ask you was about the nervous system. Because I track my heart rate variability, the strength of my nervous system sometimes, not in the morning but just when I’m working on the computer in my office and I noticed that it tends to drop and the frequencies associated with my parasympathetic nervous system specifically tend to drop. So what is it that electromagnetic frequencies from my computer and my wifi router, my cell phone are doing to my nervous system? Dr.Kruse: That one’s an easy one, Ben, and that again is covered very clearly in the redox prescription. You basically- any time the electromagnetic force of your environment is above the native electromagnetic force, so for those of you who don’t know what the native force is, it’s called the Schumann resonance. It resonates at 7.83 hertz and it does have what we call harmonic couples that go all the way up to about 89 hertz. So just so people have a reference point. Your cell phone probably is working at anywhere between 2.9 gigahertz and maybe even all the way up to 5 gigahertz in the microwave range. So you can see that’s a massive increase. That electromagnetic force draws electrons to it from you. So for example, if you happen to be the dude that keeps his cell phone in his pocket or the woman that keeps it inside her bra, I’m gonna be very tactless here and say you’re a freaking moron because you are sucking electrons from your semiconductors into the cell phone and people don’t realize, when your cell phone is on it is actually – it’s a bidirectional microwave walkie-talkie and it is constantly pulling stuff away, and here is the crazier part that people don’t know but I’m gonna share this with you today. The higher the G-force in the phone, when we go from 1G to 5G the worst effect is, but here’s the thing that shocks most people. Because the antennas in our new devices are so terrible, the cell companies, and Apple and everybody else that has wifi has to have really strong cell towers. [0:40:04.3] And that means they have to send out extremely powerful electromagnetic signals to connect to the antennas on our phones. The new iPhone 5S and the new iPad, the latest generation, actually has infrared sensing devices in them and if the device senses that it’s next to your ambient body temperature, it turns off. What does that mean Ben? That means that Apple knows exactly what this is doing to our body. Ben: Yeah. Dr. Kruse: And the problem is they don’t want you to understand the physics. Why? Because you know, delving into electromagnetic radiation is not something you know, that most guys wanna do, you know, when they’re listening to your podcast or my podcast but I have to be honest with you. If you ask me as a physician, it’s the single most

important thing for modern humans to understand. The interaction of getting an electron stolen that you’re trying everything possible to collect and when you’re here doing CT, and then you turn it on and you put the cellphone inside of your head. If you really wanna do a really cool biohack to show you that this is not bullshit, we’ve done this already. You can put a cellphone on talk, 15 minutes right up in the side of your head. Take it before with a thermo camera and an after and you will see a tremendous increase of blood flow after the 15 minute phone call and basically what you’re doing is you are sucking all the trace particles out of the side of your head and anytime, your brain becomes energy deficient, what is that likely set you up for? It sets you up for bad diseases like cancer. That’s part of the reason why the last 40 years since Becker talked about what he talked about, would be, and you guys know I’m a neurosurgeon, we have a 500% increase in tumors of the brain specifically acoustic neuronal there around here where you hold your phone up. And when you read the safety features on your devices, they will say you are not supposed to keep these stuff next to your body at all, they want you to keep them at least 2 centimeters away. Well, instead of you guys keep buying these stuff, ask questions. Why the hell would they ask us to do this and this is why it’s really important, because it goes back to the 3legged stool. It’s all tied to electrons, it’s all tied to protons, it’s all tied to the electromagnetic field, it’s tied to warm temperature because the 2nd effect of EMF besides healing your electrons, what else does it do? It dehydrates you. Why is that a big deal? We said before, as your exclusive cell decreases, your redox potential decreases. And for those of you who want a better example, like you and Ben this last time on the podcast, well, we’ll talk about it again. If you don’t believe the effect of microwaves on meat, like a steak, put it on the microwave, put it on for 5 minutes and take it out, take a bite of it. And you’ll know everything you’d need to know exactly what happens to your tissues when you continuously use devices that are wifi-based. Ben: Yeah that’s such a good analogy. Now, I know that Michael Neuert, who’s kinda like the EMF ninja is gonna be presenting at the Optimal Reset and he and you are the reason that right now, I’m looking at my office, my cellphone is in airplane mode, my laptop is plugged into the wall but it’s plugged into a dirty electricity filter, my laptop is grounded and I’m hard wired into my wifi router rather than running off the wireless signal and these are the kind of things folks that they pick up from EMF experts like Dr. Kruse and this guy Michael Neuert who’s presenting on the Optimal Resets so reducing EMF exposure is huge. I did not know that about what Apple knows about our cellphones that we don’t but it’s good to know but speaking of EMF, I know this is kinda related Dr. Kruse, you know, when I talk to you about creating a healthy home, you related EMF to sleep as well and we got into installing kills which is in your home and stuff like that but you also have some other ways that you create optimal sleep. Can you delve into some practical things that you really recommend to folks to get that restful sleep and to kinda get their bodies into that

like you know, that kinda like cold thermogenesis mode that we’re supposed to get in while we’re asleep. Dr. Kruse: Yeah. Sure. I mean, I will tell you, the cheapest and easiest thing is change your water. Use reverse osmosis water. You can buy that pretty much anywhere now. If you can’t find aura water then go to spring water or to mineral water. Ben: Do you just do a big glass of water before you go to sleep or is it kind of the water you drink all day long that’s making an effect on how you sleep later on? [0:45:06.3] Dr. Kruse: I drink it all day long but usually about 45 minutes before I go to bed I usually drink about 32 ounces of this ice cold water. Well, I also do something else and I’ll explain why I do it. I also happen to use a magnetico sleep mattress and for those of you who don’t know what that is, again, very complex physics, if you listen to the Optimal Reset, I do get into exactly how the magnetico works. I also talk about it in the redox prescription but here’s the ticket. It’s a unipolar magnetic field that’s designed to line up the earth’s magnetic field so what does it do? It actually improves your personal magnetic field while you sleep. So in other words, it’s kind of a reverse priority case technology that mitigates some of the EMF that you can’t control in your local environment. What does it do? It improves electron flow on the surface of semiconductors in your body and where do semiconductors predominantly happen is in the interface between collagen and water. Well if anybody knows anything about sleep, your brain controls sleep, what your brain’s surrounded by? Water. It’s called CSF. This is the reason why the magnetico works. It happens to work on some really cool chemistry but what does it do? It allows the 3-dimensional structure of the semiconductors in your body to work in 2 dimensions with some very exotic physics. And basically, what that does, that delivers increase electron current flow to improve your sleep. So if you wanna, if you can’t afford the magnetico 'cause it is kinda steepy, it comes in 2 different price forms: one is the 10 galls mattress, the other is 20 galls and we are going to talk about this in the Optimal Reset. The easiest thing for you to do is change your water, change how you drink your water, and here’s another cool tip, again go back to the wine thing Ben. They have a thing called avidium which is a vortex thing that people use to aerate their wine. Ben: Yeah. Dr. Kruse: You can take your water, put it through, take your water, put it through the vortex before you drink it and what I do is I happen to put my water on my magnetico so I have like a big…. Ben: Yeah, I remember you mentioned that in the last podcast.

Dr. Kruse: Yeah. I have a big huge glass that I put my water in and during the day I usually just sit my water when I’m at work on that and when I come home, I’ll just take the water out and use it as I see fit. I tend to do that on days when I’m more stressed so for you, I would tell you that’s how we soak the cool for you to do when you’re training or when you’re getting ready for a big race, I’m gotta do when I go to the operating room when I know I’m gonna be losing a shitload of electrons you know, to my local environment but I think anytime you vortex your water, you’re increasing the AC of water just like what we talked about before. You experienced how it increases because the vortex cools the sound of the water without you having to add any ice to it. Ben: Yup. Dr. Kruse: So that’s really how it works. Ben: I actually have a, I have a central home water filter that passes through the water through a vortex in the filter so everything you know, everything I shower in, everything I drink, everything passes through that vortex flow and when I move in into my new house I’m working on which is fed from a water-based well, I’m planning on using that same type of technology after the water comes up through the well. I’ll pass it through that vortex again and that’s all kind of the basic stuff I picked up from you as far as you know, restoring that natural harmonic frequency to the water. Dr. Kruse: Exactly. And you know, people think that there’s hocus pocus you know, about the water just what I have been telling you guys. Again, we do get into this in the Optimal Reset. But for those of you who would really like to read, to see that you know, this ______ [0:49:05.7] is really a big deal. Water chemistry, the best book that will teach you everything you need to know about water, ‘cause out of the 3 legs of the stool, water is easy to understand in my opinion. Gerald Pollack and his last name is spelled as P-o-l-l-a-c-k is a researcher from University of Washington and has written a book that has only been out 6 months but to me it’s the Bible of water chemistry. It’s called The Fourth Phase of Water. You must read this book. You will begin to understand many of the things that I have been talking about for 8 or 9 years because it’s based on this chemistry. And you know, CT is based on a lot of this stuff and the thing is if I have started off my internet career trying to teach you guys about exclusive stuff about water physics, I would have lost you at hello. You know, describing CT in 6 easy steps like I did in the CT protocol was way easier for the lay public to hear but now that we’re down the pipe, people are like, “You know, I really wanna know how this works.” [0:50:11.0] Ben: Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Kruse: If you want it, I got it for you. Ben: Now, there’s also this sleep map I hear about that I’ve been actually looking at myself called the Magnetico and can you explain the difference of something like a biomat and a magnetico? Dr. Kruse: Yeah, well the number one difference is that magnetico is the only unipolar magnetic mattress out there and the reason why you need to understand that is the magnetic field actually has a polarity to it. Most people know about the North and the South pole so when you’re in the northern hemisphere, you don’t want a bipolar magnet because what you create is a magnetic loop on your bed and that screws you up, your semiconduction when you sleep at night. What you really want when you sleep at night is you want your electrons to have all have the same spin and again I think we’re gonna open up this can of worms but I guess we might have to talk about it. Electrons are all created the same and that’s something that Richard Feynman, another Nobel Prize winner has said many many times in physics. There’s only 2 things that differ electron, the energy that they carry, as long as the information, and the spin and what you need to understand as a human being that you can biohack the energy and the spin. I’ve already told you how to do the energy. Protons or electrons created in the summertime are much higher energy than they are in the winter time. That’s the reason why this photo-electric effect is so incredibly important when we talk about, you know, when to eat certain foods. Well, let’s talk about the other side of the equation. Let’s do the spin of the electron, how the electrons spins is also important because it also leaps to very special quantum physics that happen on the surface of semiconductors. What’s the take home that you need to know about spin? When the spin is controlled and everything is resonating, spinning the same way when we sleep, electron current flow becomes 100% efficient. What does that mean for you know, physics geeks out there, it means we become completely quantum coherent in other words, you are extremely energy efficient and it also means that your redox potential is through the roof. This is where the elite athletes are all trying to get to and believe it or not, you can use this mattress in constant with your water chemistry. To do that, while you sleep, because let’s face it, all the sleep that we used turn to half of our lives and it’s the most important part, and I said earlier in this interview, that’s when we generate our DC electric current that regenerates all the tissues. Ben: So basically if you’re using one of these sleep mats that has a negative side, and a positive side, you’re getting exposed to like positive ion field spikes while you’re asleep rather than just the negative ions basically. Dr. Kruse: Exactly. And what you’re basically doing is you’re completely destroying the negative electromagnetic field and in fact, what you’re doing, is you’re, it’s almost like putting probably some kind of electric

device on your bed and screwing yourself up. You shouldn’t do that. You really want a unipolar device that’s the only unipolar device out there and in fact, I’ve been trying to get the guy who runs magnetico to make me a pad that I can use in surgery because honestly, for a guy like me, my biggest risk is when I sleep, my biggest risk is when I operate. And when I, I’d like to stand on one of these suckers you know when I am in surgery for 7, 8, 9 hours at a time. Ben: Yeah. Interesting. Okay, cool. I’m gonna put more information again over at but I got a few other questions for you Dr. Kruse. You’re kinda known as a biohacker as well and there are a lot of people who wanna get started with biohacking and one the things that we’ve discussed before on the show is getting a baseline like knowing where you’re at and I know that you have your own take on the most important labs that people should order or that they should ask their doctor about. Can you go over about what you think are the biggest wins for people to test. I mean we talked about reversed T3 but what are some other things that people could jot down or that I could write on the show notes that they could just go and test and I know that you go over the results in a lot more detail in the optimal reset program but if people at least just wanna get the numbers, where do they start with? Dr. Kruse: Well, I’m gonna give you some context here because remember everybody’s context is different. Your listeners and my listeners are two ends of the spectrum but I’m gonna, let’s put it in the middle, let’s put the paleo back in the middle. [0:55:05.3] Somebody came to me for the quick, easy, dirty, biohack. I would tell you that a high-sensor CRP of vitamin D and a DHEA level are where it would start and a DHEA can be done through a blood test, you can order all these yourself, you don’t need a doctor, you go to and order it yourself and start using you know, a lot of stuff that’s probably so much I mean you figure out where you need to be, that’s the easy one. Ben: Now one more time. One more time, what were those tests? Dr. Kruse: Highly sensored CRP or also known as an acronym called cardiac CRP or highly sensitive. The second one would be a DHEA level and the third one is a vitamin D level. Ben: Got it. Okay. Dr. Kruse: And make sure that you’re not supplementing with any of these things before you do your blood work ‘cause you do need a baseline level. Ben: Right.

Jack: That would be what I call simple dirty hack that one could do. Now, for your listeners, I would tell you that you need to do something different because I know all of you are pedal to the metal so I need to give, I need to convince you that maybe what you’re doing needs to slow you down and I think Ben you did a great blog, blog post a lot on your own and I think you can speak to this. You really as an athlete need to know what your redox potential is but you also need to know how quick you can restore it. So for you guys, you need to do a little bit more. I would say for you, full thyroid panel, full set steroid panel, you know male, female, depending what you are, I also think that an ASI, the Adrenal Stress Index which is a salivary test and the big one is the salivatory melatonin level. I think that’s a good place to start without spending a shitload of money and the number 1 thing I tell you guys to pay attention to is your BUN and creatinine ratio. What that is, is the measure of your dehydration. Because honestly, most endurance athletes they know they replenish their fluids but they don’t realize it’s not that you’re drinking that’s important but what you are at the cellular level and what determines what you are in the cellular level is your tissue hydration and what determines that is actually the electric charge of the basement memory of your kidneys and if you cannot get your BUN and creatinine ratio where I tell you to be below right out 7-1, that tells you that your redox potential of your battery isn’t so hot. That means that maybe you shouldn’t be doing triathlons. Maybe, you’d be like the dudes that drop dead if you keep doing that and that’s the kind of stuff that you really need to look into because BUN and creatinine is one of those tests that is not highly sensitive or highly specific but it is a cheap easy way for you to see are you interested in whether you’re dehydrated or not. And you can use other tests. You can use a urinalysis, when you are in a specific gravity, if you have money to borrow you can use serum and urine osmolality. That’s what neurosurgeons use all the time when we’re dealing with big fluids on the brain after trauma but there’s a lot of different things you can use. Athletes tend to get a lot more tests because not only do they wanna know where they’re at, but they wanna know how fast they can recover because what they can do then is determine how much they can train, how much they can track and to me I think that’s probably a bigger deal in that group. When it comes to my group, we’re not really worried about that. I’m really worried about really trying to recharge their battery to get them to the point where they can actually exercise and you know, most people know, in my last prescriptions, I tell people I left the resistance. I don’t want you doing any exercise. Well here’s the reason why. The reason I don’t want you doing exercise is that when you leave the resistance, your battery is dead. We need to recharge the battery before we launch to the exercise and this is the reason why. Is not that Dr. Kruse is down on exercise. I’m on it. I think that exercise is great and it’s one of those things that helps recharge all of our base membranes and all of our lipid membranes so that’s the reason why exercise always shows cognitive improvement when its studied but what people don’t understand is the context that exercise is

dangerous when the redox potential is low. And that’s the key measurement. When I get that message across to everybody then I think you’ll be able to understand why and what the prescription says what it says and why would I tell Ben Greenfield and his listeners is a little bit different because your guys are not n equals one is it? You know what, my people’s n equals 1 is. [1:00:04.0] But are the principles that they’re based on are exactly the same? Yes, so that’s why I tell people the redox potential is kind of the thing that opens the door to heaven and can open the door to hell. It can do the same thing. The key that determines it is the environment that you’re in. Ben: Yeah. And I can tell you right now I know that a lot of people think that their bloods are just fine like I do consulting for wellnessFX so they send me the blood work of a lot of like the crossfit or the paleo, the “healthy holistic traithlete population.” You talked about dehydration, blood nitrogen, creatinine levels, a lot of the things that are just way out of whack in these folks but they are eating healthy. But they’re also not taking into accounts some of these stuff that we’ve talked about up to this point like creating optimal sleep, producing EMF, you know, using cold thermogenesis, a lot of these little things that fly under the radar so I’ve got another question for you and that is about finding a doctor. So it can be tough sometimes to walk yourself through this process versus getting some of these lab tests that you’ve talked about and having a doctor actually walk you through it so how can people actually find a doctor who supports this whole concept of biohacking and the optimal reset? Dr. Kruse: Well I’m gonna give you 2 great examples here. In the optimal reset, I’m putting in one of my really good friends and colleagues, Professor Tom. He is actually an anti-aging doctor with a big ______ [1:01:40.7] you know, for the United States and him and I are going to have a very long discussion within the Optimal Reset about this issue but I will tell your listeners the best way to do it right now before they listen to the Optimal Reset is to probably go to your local compound pharmacy and ask the compound pharmacist if you had whatever your particular problem is, who would you go see? And the reason why the compound pharmacy is likely gonna give you a good answer is two-fold. a.) They’re gonna wanna support the doctors who support them but here’s the bigger factor. They’re gonna wanna tell you good information because you’re gonna be their customer eventually and they’re gonna wanna keep you very happy and generally you have to remember, just like any profession, there’s good and bad in every profession and that includes my profession. Not everybody who’s an anti-aging doctor is somebody you wanna pay your money to. You wanna make sure you can vent those people and the best way that I think people can do it without a lot of knowledge is talking to your local pharmacy because they know who really gives good news and

bad and when you’re talking to them in public, they’re not gonna direct you to somebody who they don’t just think you know, this good because they obviously make their money from you filling the prescriptions out of their place. Ben: Yeah. Dr. Kruse: So I wanna make sure that you’re going to the right person so I would tell you I think that’s the best way. But I guess the second best way is to maybe concern listening to Optimal Reset when we invest you know, sit down for a couple of hours and talk about this, you know, and we answer questions, you don’t think too that I have Ben you know, not to push my side by I did a webinar almost 3 years ago to my members about how to pick a doctor and I went through you know, this whole issue almost an hour and a half of how to do it because there’s a lot of ambiguity and I agree with you 100% that it’s really hard for the late public to make this decision but I think the cool part of where we are today in the modern world that the most important thing that I can tell you, if you educate yourself enough, you’re gonna have a little bit more confidence about listening to the doctor in your own head so when you go see a doc, you’ll be able to tell whether this guy’s on the up and up or they’re not. And I think your education is actually a big part of actually being able to help you select a doctor. That’s part of what you’re doing and it’s part of what I’m doing, it’s part of what everybody is part of the Optimal Reset is what we want to teach people how to help themselves and when you do that, you start to see that the world starts to work in your favor. The chance is that there’s 20 other doctors out there that wanna help but unfortunately the regulatory environment out there is really really difficult in certain states so you really have to realize about what you can do in your part of the world and what other people can do is radically different. Just to give you an example, your listeners may not know this but if you live in the state of New York, you can’t order any of your lab tests through or through [1:05:01.0] Yet, if you go to New Jersey, you can. And that’s the kind of craziness that’s out there and then there’s a whole bunch of you know, different morals where the medical practice you know, limits what a doctor can and can’t say. We have to be really careful about what we say you know, all in the website, and in fact, I have to be more way careful than what Ben has to do because he doesn’t have a professional degree you know, there. So believe it or not, I can’t give you medical advice on the internet. What I can do is hypothetically tell you exactly what one would consider and I could point you in the direction that would help you. That’s part of the reason why it’s like, I know a lot of others I always tell people to put your story down on the website ‘cause once it’s down, then I can make comments on it but I can’t make comments on something you ask me about you know, on the

internet without it being posted so, people who understand this conundrum but it’s a big issue. Ben: Yeah. Yeah. Well there’s one other thing that I wanna get into. And by the way I wanted to make sure and mention we have listeners over at the UK. There’s a professional triathlete friend of mine who runs a website called over there. I know some of these sights, I’ll put a links to a few of these others in the show notes, might not be accessible to our UK listeners so there’s not one over there as well. So of course, I‘m putting links to everything that you mentioned and folks can go over to to find some of this stuff but you also have a ton of people coming in for this optimal reset you know, everybody from Dave Asprey to my friend Ameer Rosic looks like he’s gonna talk on sleep. I’m gonna talk on biohacking sports performance. You’ve got a ton of guests coming in but one in particular is gonna talk about why women have trouble losing weight and his name is Tim Jackson. He did a blog post for Ben Greenfield Fitness a little while ago but I’m curious. Can you just give us a little sneak peek into the kind of stuff that Tim’s gonna talk about and maybe just a couple of the little reasons why women in particular have trouble losing weight. Dr. Kruse: Well first, let me tell you a little bit about Tim. You’re probably not gonna find anybody more knowledgeable about single nucleotide polymorphism so if any of you listeners had a 23 ______ [1:07:32.6] and you have no clue what it means, Tim is the guy that you definitely want in your ball pin. Tim also is trained by another guy that’s gonna be in the Reset named Dr. Kendal Stuart and Kendal Stuart is an MD. He owns this company called Neurobiologics and he’s going to talk in the Optimal Reset about fertility but where he got his team, his needing key doctor and you’ve got really interested in autism and he started to make a lot of the linkage between sniffs and transition meds, EMF, lots of different things and he started training people and Tim is one of the persons that he trained. Kendal and Tim also started to realize that there was a huge tie, like another layer of the onion peel when you get past the core which is that 3-legged stool which is sniffs and hormones. And Tim is also a pretty good expert on bio-identical hormones, the difference between synthetic and non-synthetic, the how they interplay with your sniff, you know that people don’t realize, there are really anti-aging doctors that really doesn’t know that much about sniffs. If you happen to have say, a defect, there, say you can’t, I’m just trying to pull one out of the blue, say CMT. You can have a serious problem with dopamine and dopamine for a person that postmenopausal woman is huge and not to hurt anybody’s brain any further than we already have, I’ve got a blog post called Brain got 11 that talks about the effect of dopamine and prolactin on postmenopausal women and why they have a really hard problem losing weight. And why is this important. Say if you are a premenopausal woman and you have the risk factors that a post menopausal woman has. For example, you’re a crossfitter and your PG-E ratio meaning progesterone to estrodial ratio is upside down and you happen to

have a couple of bad sniffs. And your period stops. You may begin to realize ‘cause you know, most people in the paleo may think well if I exercise too much I’ll get amenorrhea. What they don’t realize is there’s many past amenorrhea and that amenorrhea could potentially French fry your fertility, it can lead to a hyperflamic amenorrhea, you can actually trash your ability to have children if you have these preexisting conditions. So again, it goes to my point, the more you know, the better you do and if this happens to be an area that you’re really interested in, say you’re a triathlete, endurance athlete, you’re a female and you had amenorrhea, this is the part of the optimal reset you’re gonna be really really interested in and I’m not kidding when I tell you I can’t think of 2 guys that I know of who know more of single nucleotide polymorphism than these 2 and if you happen to have anybody in your family that does have autism or any type of neuroimmune condition, these are your guys. I mean they are true experts. [1:10:47.0] Ben: Nice. Now do you think and I know this might be a loaded question so feel free

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