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Slide1:  ICFA Standing Committee on Interregional Connectivity (SCIC) Harvey B. Newman California Institute of Technology ICFA SCIC Meeting, CERN September 28, 2002 Agenda:  8:30 Startup; Test VRVS Connections 9:00 Introduction H. Newman 9:10 Brief Technical Progress Reports 10:15 Reports from the Committee Chairs: Status and Plans[*] Monitoring: L. Cottrell Advanced Technologies R. Hughes-Jones End-to-end Connectivity R. Mount Key Requirements H. Newman The Digital Divide A. Santoro 12:30 LUNCH [*] COFFEE 10:45-11:00 Agenda Agenda:  13:45 Discussion of Digital Divide Issues and Approaches to a Solution 15:00 Update: Planning Discussion and Schedule for the February 2003 Report to ICFA 16:00 COFFEE 16:30 The Internet Educational Equal Ed Fantegrossi Access Foundation (IEEAF) 17:00 Points to Present at the ICFA Seminar at CERN on October 9; HEPCCC October 18 17:30 Schedule for the meeting at KEK AOB 17:40 Adjourn Agenda ICFA and International Networking :  ICFA and International Networking ICFA Statement on Communications in Int’l HEP Collaborations of October 17, 1996 See http://www.fnal.gov/directorate/icfa/icfa_communicaes.html “ICFA urges that all countries and institutions wishing to participate even more effectively and fully in international HEP Collaborations should: Review their operating methods to ensure they are fully adapted to remote participation Strive to provide the necessary communications facilities and adequate international bandwidth” ICFA Standing Committee on Interregional Connectivity (SCIC):  ICFA Standing Committee on Interregional Connectivity (SCIC) Created by ICFA in July 1998 in Vancouver CHARGE: Make recommendations to ICFA concerning the connectivity between the Americas, Asia and Europe As part of the process of developing these recommendations, the committee should Monitor traffic Keep track of technology developments Periodically review forecasts of future bandwidth needs, and Provide early warning of potential problems Create subcommittees when necessary to meet the charge The chair of the committee should report to ICFA once per year, at its joint meeting with laboratory directors ICFA-SCIC Core Membership:  ICFA-SCIC Core Membership Representatives from major HEP laboratories: Manuel Delfino (CERN) to W. Von Rueden Michael Ernst (DESY) Matthias Kasemann (FNAL) Yukio Karita (KEK) Richard Mount (SLAC) User Representatives Richard Hughes-Jones (UK) Harvey Newman (USA) Dean Karlen (Canada) For Russia: Slava Ilyin (MSU) ECFA representatives: Frederico Ruggieri (INFN Frascati), Denis Linglin (IN2P3, Lyon) ACFA representatives: Rongsheng Xu (IHEP Beijing) HwanBae Park (Korea University) For South America: Sergio F. Novaes (University de S.Paulo) Organization; Committees :  Organization; Committees New Web Page http://icfa-scic.web.cern.ch/ICFA-SCIC/ Monitoring - Les Cottrell With Richard Hughes-Jones, Sergio Novaes (Sao Paolo), Sergei Berezhnev (RUHEP), Fukuko Yuasa (KEK), Daniel Davids (CERN), Sylvain Ravot (Caltech), Shawn McKee (Michigan) Advanced technologies: Richard Hughes-Jones With Vladimir Korenkov (JINR, Dubna), Olivier Martin(CERN), Harvey Newman End-to-end Connectivity: Richard Mount With Michael Ernst, Denis Linglin, Alexandre Sztajnberg (UERJ) The Digital Divide: Alberto Santoro [Possible help from V. White] With Slava Ilyin, Yukio Karita, David O. Williams Also Dongchul Son (Korea), Hafeez Hoorani (Pakistan), Sunanda Banerjee (India) Key Requirements: Harvey Newman Also Charlie Young (SLAC) ICFA SCIC Monitoring Group Membership:  ICFA SCIC Monitoring Group Membership ICFA-SCIC-MON web page created: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/icfa/scic-netmon/ The Digital Divide :  The Digital Divide Case Studies: Local political and/or funding barriers China, Brazil (Rio); Spain (Madrin); Germany (Karlsruhe); Romania; Slovakia, India, Pakistan, Hungary, Yugoslavia and many others Success Examples AMPATH Silk Project: Central FSU KEK and South East Asia Demographics Terena Compendium; Broadband in Asia Report OECD Databases for normalization Clever demographic plots Questionnaire How one’s network capabilities affect the ability to “Do Science” Suggestions ? Methodology Presentation Approaches to a Solution: Particular; Common Characteristics Focus on Ways ICFA Help; and how ICFA-SCIC Can Help ICFA SCIC Focus for 2002: The Digital Divide:  ICFA SCIC Focus for 2002: The Digital Divide New Chair: Alberto Santoro (UERJ, Rio de Janeiro) Strengthen the Committee to Cover all Regions Kunze, Hoorani, Banerjee, (Son) Additional People to be Contacted: Jesus Marco (Spain), Michal Turala (Cracow); Chen Hesheng (Beijing); Romania, … [Suggest Others] Categorize Nature of the Problem: Case Studies, Identify Barriers Lack of Infrastructure; Cost; the Last 0.1/1/10 km; the City/State/National Hierarchy Systematize the Problem: Demographics Where are the HEP Institutes ? How many physicists ? Find out, or determine - their specific Network Needs. Work on the Digital Divide: Several Perspectives:  Work on the Digital Divide: Several Perspectives Policies and/or Pricing: China, Southeast Europe E.g. RoEduNet (2-6 Mbps) pricing; Not so different from US-CERN price for a few Gbps Find Ways to work with the Governments, and vendors Inter-Regional Help (Example) Pricing to Brazil (Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo) US NSF Proposal and/or EU LIS Proposal Use Model Cases: Installation of advanced fiber infrastructures Poland (2.5k to 5k km); Ireland; Slovakia; Czech Republic; Serbia Exploit One-off Solutions; extend the SILK Project (DESY/FSU) to a SE European site Find ways to help with unfavorable NREN pricing: e.g. GEANT fee to Russia Slide12:  GEANT 155Mbps Slide13:  GEANT 155Mbps Annual Cost 1.15 MEuro (Ro) + 0.3 MEuro (EU) Digital Divide Committee:  Digital Divide Committee What ICFA and ICFA/SCIC Can Do:  What ICFA and ICFA/SCIC Can Do Identify and highlight specific needs (to Work On) Policy problems Last Mile problems Make direct contacts, arrange discussions with gov’t officials ICFA SCIC is prepared to participate Help Start or Get Support for Workshops on Networks and Grids Discuss & create opportunities Start collaborations on a small scale; then grow Seek to form funded programs Start Joint programs [such as in DESY’s Silk project; Japanese links to Russia and China; AMPATH to So. America] LIS Proposal: EU to South America Pakistan to CERN link being upgraded to 512kbits/s Initial contact with Romania, to follow up Help form Regional support & training groups (requires funding) Mobilizing the Digital Divide Sub-Committee:  Mobilizing the Digital Divide Sub-Committee We have a strong subcommittee Chair Commitments to Work; Writing Adding Additional Active Members Nominated by anyone associated with the SCIC IEEAF Contact Working with the LHC and then all major collaborations Starting with CMS Collaboration Board 9/27 Holding a Workshop to discuss and deal with this specific problem Other Suggestions NOTE: We need a good report by December-January 2003; Then the work will Continue. Workshops on HENP Grids and Networks:  Workshops on HENP Grids and Networks Feb. 2002: Grid and Network Session Brazil (Rio) April 2002: Potential of Grids and IT Romania (Bucharest) May 2002: Internet2 Members’ Plenary USA (Wash. DC) June 2002: INET2002 (ISOC) USA (Wash. DC) June 2002: TERENA Annual Meeting Limerick Sept. 2002: iGrid2002 Oct. 2002: ICFA Seminar CERN (Geneva) Nov. 2002: Pan-European Ministerial Romania (Bucharest) Pre-Conference for the WSIS Nov. 2002: SC2002 March 2003: CHEP2003 USA (San Diego) Lepton-Photon 2003 FNAL (Batavia) 2003: GGF – TBD 2003: World Summit on the Geneva Information Society (WSIS) WSIS-RO: Bucharest Nov. 7-9 WSIS is 12/03 & 05 (Geneva & Tunis):  WSIS-RO: Bucharest Nov. 7-9 WSIS is 12/03 & 05 (Geneva & Tunis) The Regional Ministerial Conference, based on the UN/ECE membership, is in preparation of the World Summit on the Information Society - Bucharest, 7-9 November 2002 The UN General Assembly adopted in 2001 a resolution endorsing the organization of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), to be convened under the patronage of the United Nations Secretary-General, Kofi Annan, with the International Telecommunication Union taking the lead role in its preparation along with interested UN organizations and the host countries. The Summit will offer a unique opportunity for the world community to discuss and give shape to the Information Society by bringing together governments, international organizations, private sector and civil society. In preparation for this Summit regional conferences are organized to develop specific proposals. WSIS-RO: Bucharest Nov. 7-9 WSIS is 12/03 & 05 (Geneva & Tunis):  WSIS-RO: Bucharest Nov. 7-9 WSIS is 12/03 & 05 (Geneva & Tunis) The Pan-European Ministerial Conference in Bucharest will focus on concrete issues of relevance for the region, but will keep the balance between regional specificity and the global dimension. The Conference in Bucharest aims at strengthening the relations of cooperation between the participating states with a view to adopting a common action plan in the field of communications and information technology. It will be an opportunity for presenting national strategies, achievements and challenges that will help the participants to have an accurate view of the stage in the transition process to an Information Society as well as an opportunity to develop a platform for dialogue that includes all major stakeholders at European level – Governments, civil society, private sector and international agencies. WSIS-RO: Role of New Technologies in Developing the Information Society:  WSIS-RO: Role of New Technologies in Developing the Information Society Tony Hey, UK Core E-Science Program Peter Zangli, European Commission Hans Hoffmann, CERN Scientific and TT Director Fabrizio Gagliardi: EDG Project Leader William Johnston, Lawrence Berkeley Lab Dave Reese or Tom West, CENIC, Pacific and Nat’l Light Rail Don Riley or Ed Fontegrossi, IEEAF Harvey Newman, Caltech Network Progress and Issues for Major Experiments :  Network Progress and Issues for Major Experiments Network backbones are advancing rapidly to 10 Gbps range “Gbps” end-to-end throughput data flows have been tested; will be in production soon (in 1-2 years) Use of wavelengths may start within ~3 years Network advances are changing the view of the net’s roles Likely to have a profound impact on the experiments’ Computing Models, and bandwidth requirements More dynamic view: of data transactions; eventually dynamic network provisioning Advanced integrated applications, such as Data Grids, rely on seamless “transparent” operation of our LANs and WANs With reliable, quantifiable (monitored), high performance Networks need to be integral parts of the Grid(s) design new paradigms of real network and system monitoring, and of new of “managed global systems” for HENP analysis Recent & Upcoming Events:  Recent & Upcoming Events Progress in High Throughput: Moving from 0.1 to 1 Gbps SLAC – Manchester (Les C. and Richard H-J) (0.4+ Gbps) Tsunami (Indiana) (0.8 Gbps UDP + RTP) Canada-Amsterdam (To 0.9 Gbps; disk to disk) STARLIGHT-CERN (0.9 Gbps) single stream and 1 GbE port; to 1.9 Gbps with three streams and ports, using “TCP Grid” Progress in Pre-Production and Production Networking 10 Mbytes/sec FNAL-CERN Disk to Disk (Michael Ernst) 15 Mbytes/sec disk-to-disk Chicago-CERN (Sylvain Ravot) Try to Reach 300 MB/sec Disk-to-Disk To ~ 1GB/sec by Mid-2003 Wavelength Triangle Set up at iGrid2002 SURFnet secured Lamdbas to Chicago (Level 3) and CERN (Global Crossing); operated at iGrid2002 Protocol Research: e.g. “Multi-Gbps” TCP with AQM (S. Low et al. at Caltech) Agreement by Abilene to run “experimental, fair” traffic across it Report to HEP-CCC October 18: Please send me your Updates Signs of the Times: Uncertainty But No Change in Outlook:  Signs of the Times: Uncertainty But No Change in Outlook Key Providers in Bankruptcy KPNQwest, Teleglobe, Global Crossing, FLAG; Worldcom Switched to Others, Where Needed and Possible E.g. T-Systems (Deutsche Telecom) for US-CERN Telecom Market Outlook Good pricing from DT MCI/Worldcom networks continue to operate: 20 M customers in US; UK academic & research network Level3 market share advance; perhaps also Tyco, GX Link Donations !: NY-Amsterdam OC192 (Tyco to IEEAF) Strong Outlook in R&E Nets for Rapid Progress Abilene (US) Upgrade On Schedule; GEANT (Europe), and SuperSINET(Japan) Plans Continuing ESNet Backbone Upgrade: 2.5 Gbps “Now”; 10 Gbps in 2 Yrs. Regional Progress, and Visions; E.g. CALREN: “1 Gbps to Every Californian by 2010” Slide25:  Assisted by Level3 (OC192) and Cisco (10GbE and 16X1GbE) iGrid2002: OC192+OC48 Trial This Week Short Term Donation from Level 3 Max. Sustained TCP Throughput on Transatlantic Links:  * Also see http://www-iepm.slac.stanford.edu/monitoring/bulk/; and the Internet2 E2E Initiative: http://www.internet2.edu/e2e Max. Sustained TCP Throughput on Transatlantic Links 8/10/01 105 Mbps reached with 30 Streams: SLAC-IN2P3 9/1/01 102 Mbps in One Stream: CIT-CERN 11/5/01 125 Mbps in One Stream (modified kernel): CIT-CERN 1/09/02 190 Mbps for One stream shared on 2 155 Mbps links 3/11/02 120 Mbps Disk-to-Disk with One Stream on 155 Mbps link (Chicago-CERN) 5/20/02 450 Mbps SLAC-Manchester on OC12 with ~100 Streams 6/1/02 290 Mbps Chicago-CERN One Stream on OC12 (mod. Kernel) 9/02 850 Mbps Chicago-CERN One Stream on OC48 (mod. Kernet) 1350+ (1900+) Mbps with 2 (3) Streams on 2 (3) GbE Ports US-CERN DataTAG Link Tests with Grid TCP:  US-CERN DataTAG Link Tests with Grid TCP 3 Streams; 3 GbE Ports (Syskonnect) 1-3 Streams; 1-3 GbE Ports (Syskonnect) LHCnet Network : Late 2002:  LHCnet Network : Late 2002 Development and tests Abilene MREN ESnet STARTAP NASA Linux PC for Performance tests & Monitoring CERN -Geneva GEANT Switch IN2P3 WHO Linux PC for Performance tests & Monitoring Caltech/DoE PoP – StarLight Chicago 622 Mbps (Prod.) Cisco 7609 CERN Cisco 7609 Caltech (DoE) Alcatel 7770 DataTAG (CERN) Cisco 7606 DataTAG (CERN) Juniper M10 DataTAG (CERN) Cisco 7606 Caltech (DoE) Juniper M10 Caltech (DoE) Alcatel 7770 DataTAG (CERN) 2.5 Gbps (R&D) Optical Mux/Dmux Alcatel 1670 Optical Mux/Dmux Alcatel 1670 The Rapid Pace of Network Technology Advances Continues:  The Rapid Pace of Network Technology Advances Continues Within the Next One to Two Years 10 Gbps Ethernet on Switches and Servers; LAN/WAN integration at 10 Gbps Intel 10 GbE server NICs in Beta Test 40 Gbps Wavelengths Being Shown HFR: 100 Mpps forwarding engines, 4 and More 10 Gbps ports per Slot; Terabit/sec backplanes etc. Broadband Wireless [Multiple 3G/4G alternatives]: the drive to defeat the last mile problem 802.11 ab, UWB; Mobile: CDMA2000/1xEV-DO HENP Major Links: BW Roadmap in Gbps; Shown at ICHEP2002:  HENP Major Links: BW Roadmap in Gbps; Shown at ICHEP2002 HENP Lambda Grids: Fibers for Physics:  HENP Lambda Grids: Fibers for Physics Problem: Extract “Small” Data Subsets of 1 to 100 Terabytes from 1 to 1000 Petabyte Data Stores Survivability of the HENP Global Grid System, with hundreds of such transactions per day (circa 2007) requires that each transaction be completed in a relatively short time. Example: Take 800 secs to complete the transaction. Then Transaction Size (TB) Net Throughput (Gbps) 1 10 10 100 100 1000 (Capacity of Fiber Today) Summary: Providing Switching of 10 Gbps wavelengths within ~3 years; and Terabit Switching within ~6-10 years would enable “Petascale Grids with Terabyte transactions” within this decade, as required to fully realize the discovery potential of major HENP programs, as well as other data-intensive fields. TAN WG (HN, L. Price). Note that BW Req. for 2005+[*]: Likely to Change:  TAN WG (HN, L. Price). Note that BW Req. for 2005+[*]: Likely to Change [*] Installed BW. Maximum Link Occupancy 50% Assumed See http://gate.hep.anl.gov/lprice/TAN IEEAF Vision:  IEEAF Vision "Non Nobis Solo" (Not by ourselves alone) Accelerate the global growth of Internet2 to achieve "universal educational access” to: Enable and stimulate the rapid expansion of research and educational collaboration in many forms between teaching and learning institutions around the world. Cultivate and promote practical solutions to delivering scalable, universally available and equitable access to suitable bandwidth and necessary network resources in support of these collaborations. GEO builds carrier hotel buildings and supports the IEEA Foundation goals which include helping to solve the digital divide.:  GEO builds carrier hotel buildings and supports the IEEA Foundation goals which include helping to solve the digital divide. GEO - The Catalyst Government Submarine Fiber Terrestial Fiber Tyco Atlantic Donation:  Tyco Atlantic Donation Tyco Northern Europe Donation :  Tyco Northern Europe Donation Tyco Telecomm Donation Summary:  Tyco Telecomm Donation Summary Colocation space in NYC for Expanded NY Int’l Exch. Pt Production R&E Bandwidth: 622 Mbps NY-London-Groningen (Netherlands) Connects to IEEAF fiber to Amsterdam & Hamburg CA-Tokyo-Singapore Research 10 Gbps optical wavelength NY-London-Groningen (Netherlands) CA-Tokyo-Singapore 200sq.ft. Co-location space in each of global facilities Additional donations as global build-out continues CENIC-GEO MOU led to IEEAF:  CENIC-GEO MOU led to IEEAF GEO will donate real estate 15K sq.ft. in each of two new International carrier hotels (Hayward/CA, MD/DC) 200 sq.ft. in each of other facilities GEO will try to get others (wet fiber/dry fiber/equipment/etc.) to donate as part of business negotiations Groningen Carrier Hotel: March 2002:  Groningen Carrier Hotel: March 2002 Tyco Southern Europe Donation :  Tyco Southern Europe Donation Tyco Transpacific Donation:  Tyco Transpacific Donation U.S. Donations Under Negotiation:  U.S. Donations Under Negotiation Fiber Across U.S. (Actual Routes T.B.D.) Other discussions in progress (non-disclosure) Slide44:  Global Medical Research Exchange Initiative Bio-Medicine and Health Sciences IEEAF Board of Directors:  IEEAF Board of Directors Indiana University International Member International Member John Charles (CSU Hayward) Jerry Hanley (Cal Poly SLO) John Silvester (Univ. of So.Cal) Ed Fantegrossi David Lassner (Univ. of Hawaii) Ron Johnson (Univ. of Washington) Don Riley Steve Corbato Michael McRobbie (TBD) (TBD) CENIC GEO (Geographic Network Affiliates, Intl.) PI2 (Pacific Internet2 Coalition) P/NG (Pacific/Northwest Gigapop) University of Maryland UCAID (University Corporation for Advanced Internet Development) Planning for 2/2003 Report to ICFA:  Planning for 2/2003 Report to ICFA Main Report from Digital Divide Sub-Committee; also Reports from Monitoring and Advanced Technologies Requirements and E2E: Need more work on the Computing Models Detailed Outlines Due Before ICFA Seminar Talk October 9 Also Present a Map of HEP Groups/Network Connectivity Digital Divide Draft Report in Mid-October Well Developed Near-Final Drafts By December 10 Meeting Proposed for December 13 at KEK [with ACFA reps.] Discuss Report Draft Report on 10 Gbps SuperSINET Ops; Review Situation in Asia-Pacific Region Report Delivered to ICFA January 2003 or Beginning of February, in Advance of February 13-14 Meeting. Report to ICFA: Sketch of Content:  Report to ICFA: Sketch of Content ~10 Page Report with 1 Page Executive Summary Refer to Subcommittee reports on the Web Monitoring Group: 10 Pages with Many Pictures and Graphs Digital Divide Group: 10 Pages of Text, Many Pictures, Graphs, Tables; ~2 illustrations in the main report Advanced Technologies Group: 10 pages + references to a lot of technical reports and information on the Web. Requirements: Comments on the Computing Model that follow from above: ~5-6 pages. Digital Divide Discussion:  Digital Divide Discussion Send Questionnaire to Michel (CMS), Peter Jenni (ATLAS), LHCb, ALICE ? Or to LCG (?) Santoro: Send list of people and institutes already asked to Yukio Give Questionnaire to Wolfgang Von Rueden to make Web form; fill in online and submit World Map to fill in: set up to fill information from one city to another. Also add HEP Institute to the Map. Phase 1: Analysis and Limited Implementation; then Review and Phase 2: Full Implementation Phase 3: Maintenance Web pages: purpose, project description and goals Investigate, gather information Need utilization as well as Bandwidth Find resources: maps and information (e.g. USGS) Build database; keep it up to date Build tools for querying and for entering information onto the maps Responsibility in Americas: HN+Alberto+Heidi; Europe: ? Try TERENA then Maintenance among the Labs: e.g. CERN, Fermilab, SLAC Connection to other tools: PINGER; MONALISA Monitoring System Digital Divide Discussion (2):  Digital Divide Discussion (2) Web pages for experiences in solving last mile problems, local infrastructure, last mile (fiber IRU) pricing, vendor contacts Systematize, Classify Regions, Countries, Institutes Dead or Nearly Disconnected Regions Hot Spots: Use of Existing Capacity to > 50% Moderate Advanced (Grouping by Regions and/or Countries is related to the Monitoring Group) Doing this is connected to filling in the World Map with HEP Institutes Begin relationship with IEEAF ? Then New Classification: also vendors who donated something: Level3, Tyco, GX; Cisco, Juniper, Etc. … IBM, Microsoft (?), Gelato Define Conditions; Sponsor Plateaus Review applications by our committee; special allowances for less favored countries or regions Attractive Web Page with Logos; List and describe research projects. DD Discussion (3): Workshop:  DD Discussion (3): Workshop ICFA SCIC Workshop: Planning the first Workshop Focus on the Digital Divide Go to the Region that needs it; have a well-defined goal for an institute or group of institutes (network upgrade; see below) Need a local organizer (organizing committee) Arrange a sponsor Possible sponsors, one or more of UNESCO, IAEA, NATO; or Foundations; Companies; or individual donors. Install a good network and leave it running; Ensure funding for maintenance etc. Leave tools for networks and collaboration: Monitoring, VRVS, etc. Get Project Leader(s); also fund raising: e.g. H.A. Target Date: February 2004; Rio de Janeiro, LISHEP. Organization meeting Early July 2003; Invite potential sponsors, agencies… 100-150 people NOTE: Statement and press release at WSIS (Geneva) December 2003. Thinking of doing this meeting 2 times per year after the first one Requires a team for 2 months of planning then followup Team of 2-3 people; 1 to 1.5 FTE; travel funds etc. IEEAF: Ed Fantegrossi:  IEEAF: Ed Fantegrossi Ed built 700 colocation facilties; GEO He is the one who arranges the assets to enable the donations in IEEAF In 2 years went from zero to > $ 100M of donations 53 more pending donations; combined assets > $ 1B Opportunity has been enhanced by hard situation of telecomms Empowered by “teachers” of opportunities to create linkages; need to be “behavioralist who unfolds diabolical plots” In world of telecomms; providers look at first high volume financial users (17 top); then multinational corporates; then after that the rest – the first two are the drivers We (HENP) are the fathers of thee development of the R&E networks; through our global reach and critical mass IEEAF: Ed Fantegrossi:  IEEAF: Ed Fantegrossi Collectively able to use, apply and direct that (?) into a better rate of growth Once we develop a (macro-)plan Motivated by the willingness to serve a larger community Business Model Create (fear of) competition; since Open Markets Aided by difficult financial conditions of telecom provider companies New Dynamic to Create Donations GEO company made money in the first phase, then Brought forward Medical Global Exchange project by 18 months; 22 Exchange points now; want several hundred Get clients to build facilities Then get content; people who would use the facilities Stay invisible; if donation-plan was visible companies would not allow IEEAF+GEO to continue to this. IEEAF: Ed Fantegrossi:  IEEAF: Ed Fantegrossi Work from Macro to Micro Large scale plan then deal with some individual cases Have built facilities from financial mission critical to carrier style to boutique markets; also contact with the energy sector Know 640 (multi-B$ ?) utilities Have arranged pricing of 1/50 of previous pricing in markets; E.G. 27 Mbps for $ 3M now 10 Gbps on the paying side; i.e. BW ~30 times Keep pushing back the Digital Divide Energy providers: stranded fiber assets; if deregulated then ticking clock for arranging access to much greater BW. Give an energy contract (10 years?) in return for free BW; Avoid creating a new energy monopoly Already done: NY-UK-NL-soon DE Also: CA-Japan-Korea-HK-Singapore (January I think). IEEAF: Ed Fantegrossi:  IEEAF: Ed Fantegrossi Key factor is: Is there enough of a potential new market base. Need to: provide all HEP Institute information; put on world map; distinguish major laboratories, large and small institutes or universities Also start by providing Ed with info. for 3 needy areas – Santoro (Brazil and South America); Banerjee (India); Ilyin (Russia and former FSU) IMPORTANT: Make CERN a major opportunity and test case Idea is to get 2 fiber-pairs donated to CERN (the biggest case so far) from the Hamburg cable landing point Or if not possible at least wavelengths Visit of Ed and/or Don to CERN; before visit to Hamburg – ideal time for us is the ICFA Seminar, with best day October 10; he has to check his schedule, but will try hard to do it. Wolfgang to arrange visit and ~15 minutes in front of ICFA Contact DESY and EMBL when Ed visits Hamburg

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